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s5 turn signal switch on an s4 harness/car
by
gc3
on 05 Jun, 2012 08:48
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I looked through some documentation on da club about this 'conversion' and also looked at the s4/s5 wire diagrams, and it seems to me like the almighty Icemark had plenty of wrong info?
so anyways, has anyone done this before?
I need to check the diagrams for the headlights and wiper switches, but according to the majority of forum posts, sounds like those are a plug and play deal, just the turn signal plug needs to be repinned.
can anyone confirm this?
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#1
by
gc3
on 12 Jun, 2012 22:53
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update:
headlight, wiper are a bolt-in affair. I checked the wiring diagrams and everything checked out the same, although the one was a harness view, and the other a plug view, which i found strange.
turn signal I followed the wiring diagrams and they looked equivalent (opposite views, but the same) but when i tried the S4 diagnostics i found, the S5 did not check out.
either the S5 turn switch i just bought is bad (hoping its not) or I was looking at the wrong diagrams... I'll try to find time to recheck this tomorrow.
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#2
by
spadanko
on 12 Jun, 2012 23:30
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as far as i know you have to keep s4 switchs with s4 harness or it fries stuff i know i did it. Not sure if you can change wiring or not as i couldnt find any decent info on it
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#3
by
gc3
on 13 Jun, 2012 09:54
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#4
by
scuter83
on 13 Jun, 2012 10:34
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Have you tried to run the S4 diagnostics with the S5 switch, but using the pinouts in reverse? It looks to me like all the pins are reversed going from S4 to S5....
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#5
by
gc3
on 13 Jun, 2012 10:38
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Have you tried to run the S4 diagnostics with the S5 switch, but using the pinouts in reverse? It looks to me like all the pins are reversed going from S4 to S5....
i actually haven't... not exactly sure why i haven't yet, but i will try tonight.
BUT, the headlight switch and wiper switch diagrams were reversed across the S4/S5, and I have confirmed they work plug-and-play with my s4 harness/car. which leads me to believe that the S4 diagram is "looking at the harness connector wires view" and the S5 diagram is "looking at the harness connector pins view"
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#6
by
clocker
on 13 Jun, 2012 12:02
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#7
by
gc3
on 13 Jun, 2012 12:11
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http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=1000450
Same question over on the club with some good schematics.
same schematics I have, and I actually have some posts at the end of that thread already lol
wish i could find the schematic/diagram that icemark apparently found
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#8
by
scuter83
on 13 Jun, 2012 15:41
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BUT, the headlight switch and wiper switch diagrams were reversed across the S4/S5, and I have confirmed they work plug-and-play with my s4 harness/car. which leads me to believe that the S4 diagram is "looking at the harness connector wires view" and the S5 diagram is "looking at the harness connector pins view"
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What do you mean exactly by that? You mean the headlight switch and wiper switch both looked backwards from each other (S4 vs. S5) in the manuals just like the turn signal switch, but they seemed to work just fine and it is only the TS switch that is acting up? Do you have pictures of those schematics for the headlight and wiper switch? Maybe those it doesn't really matter how you ground or apply voltage as it is just completing a circuit, but the TS is different due to the flashers and more comlex circuitry?
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#9
by
gc3
on 13 Jun, 2012 17:46
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What do you mean exactly by that? You mean the headlight switch and wiper switch both looked backwards from each other (S4 vs. S5) in the manuals just like the turn signal switch, but they seemed to work just fine and it is only the TS switch that is acting up? Do you have pictures of those schematics for the headlight and wiper switch? Maybe those it doesn't really matter how you ground or apply voltage as it is just completing a circuit, but the TS is different due to the flashers and more comlex circuitry?
i'm thinking it's more of a mazda not quite refreshing their wire diagrams for the '89 manual?
the schematics are from here
http://www.norotors.com/index.php?topic=770.0and yes, the S5 wiper and hdlt switches plugged in and functioned fine on my s4.
judging by my continuity testing, icemark's pinouts seem accurate for the left turn, and right turn pins.
I just don't know where he got all the pins from.
does anyone have schematics for a S5 turn signal aside from the '89 manual in the sticky here?
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#10
by
clocker
on 13 Jun, 2012 18:41
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Allegedly this is from a 1991 factory manual...
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#11
by
gc3
on 13 Jun, 2012 19:27
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Allegedly this is from a 1991 factory manual...
sadly that is exactly the same as the '89 manual.
grrrr.
through a continuity check and applying voltage through some pins, i have confirmed that Icemark has the correct pinouts for both the S4 and the S5 switch.
but this does not match any of the S5 diagrams I have seen so far.
Also, the function of the turn signals is equivalent across S5 and S4, and im 99% sure i can make those work, but I cannot figure out how the S4 highbeam/lowbeam functionality works. possibly due to my switch being bad? i need to focus on those S4 diagrams and try to figure that out to transfer the pins correctly now.
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#12
by
gc3
on 13 Jun, 2012 21:49
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good news. i figured it out and swapped switches, and nothing blew up.
bad news is, apparently that wasnt the source of my headaches, and i am getting the same exact problems.
so back to square 1
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#13
by
gc3
on 14 Jun, 2012 11:19
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if anyone's curious, this is what i did.
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#14
by
digitalsolo
on 14 Jun, 2012 21:21
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Good info, thanks for posting.
