Hey Mike, I see the hand made wide body flares in one of your pictures. Do you have any more? You showed me them in person. They looked really nice. It would be cool if you showed us some pictures of the installation. I looked through your thread and couldn't find any.
Here are a couple notes on the fender install Justin:
Fenders:I have posted my intention to run custom Pettit-style fenders hand formed in metal. I wanted to do metal because my research led me to believe that it was the only way to ensure no cracking in the fenders over time if I smoothed them to the body.
(what I started with)
After a year or so :rant2: a fabricator pal I know got around to making them for me. I picked them up and did some test fitting, then returned them for some adjustment around the time of seven(not)stock 2009. I then picked up my original pettit fiberglass fenders to give to another forum member at sevenstock since shipping them was a PIA. This fact is only of interest since my fabricator had to then make my gas-lid cutout from measurements and pictures only, rather than the original pettit fenders. When I got the completed fenders home, they had a good fit overall, but the gas lid cutout overlapped the fill hole by about an inch on the forward side. At this point I had a couple options:
1. Take the fenders back to my guy, have him re-do the hole.
2. Use a different fuel door that is not as massive as the FD's 6" monster.
3. Say "F-it" and smooth the whole thing over, relocating the fuel fill elsewhere.
I figured if I wanted to go with plan 1 I would just do it myself to save time. While researching options 2 & 3 I decided that I should get started on the darn things, and weld the fenders up to the body. But first I had to begin the carnage by chopping out the wheel-well. This was one of those moments where I paused and said, "Self, you have a great looking, nicely painted car right here, and you are about to thrash the crap out of it. Are you sure you want to do this?" Well this post would be really short if I had backed out at that point.
I started by making a smooth arch above the top of the wheelwell where a wider tire would contact.
Then I carefully cut the exterior sheetmetal, and the fender lip.
This left an exposed gap between the two. (You can also see the closed cell foam in there where it spilled out of the chassis when i was blindly filling the frame rails)This gap needed to be sealed to keep water from getting up in there and causing rust problems down the road. So out came the tool I have wanted to use on this car for a while now: THE BFH!
My thought was to pound upward on the fender lining metal to bring it up flush to the arch I had cut away. At first it did not seem like it would work, but with more pounding in multiple upward directions on the metal it formed up pretty nicely. It is neat how elastic metal sheet actually is. Here you can see the beginning of felding up the gap, and how much smaller it got with the hammering:
Now I had to seal it up, and I got my first practice welding a notably large stretch of sheetmetal.
Not pretty, but it won't be seen and it sealed up for the most part. Also i got my welder dialed in a bit better, and got much needed practice with welding thin sheet.
Now I was ready to mount the fenders. But first more carnage, as I had to remove the swath of paint around where the fenders would mount. First I mounted and measured the fenders so as to maintain symmetry on the driver and passenger side fenders. First I measured the same height from the ground to the wheel arch, and then the distance to fore and aft landmarks on the body. Then I scored the outline of the fender on the body with a knife, and brought out the sander for ~3" swath in the paint along the fit line. All this sanding was great at making a huge mess of the garage in the process. Then I returned the fenders to their previous locations. I clamped them in place, and braced them in the correct position to match the scribe line I had made previously.
I got out the welder and put a couple spot welds on them to hold them in place. After double and triple checking the measurements I ran a series of spot welds along the entire mounting surface.
Now it was starting to look really cool, and I was improving with my sheet metal welding, so I started with some ~1" sections of weld in one area, then jumping to a different area on the fender for another 1" section. I did this to keep down the heat that I had read will warp the body panels. Those sections grew to ~1.5-2 inches as I went since the starting and stopping is tougher than just running the bead. I got practice welding up, down, sideways, and upside down (under the bottom of the body) It looked like everything was going well, and the only thing I had to worry about was the fires internally that would break out when the foam lit up from the welding heat. It would generally burn itself out, but I had a spray bottle and a fire extinguisher ready at all times. I could only imagine torching the thing after all the work I have done till this point! :eek3:
Eventually I got it all sealed up, but as the metal cooled it warped the flat portion of the sheetmetal at the top and wrinkled it a bit. I was a little pissed, but I later spoke with my fabricator buddy, and he said that it is often impossible to not warp flat sections of sheetmetal when welding. So I don't feel too bad about it.
After I did the passenger side I went over to the driver side, and did the same. This time I stuck to 1" max on a single bead, in an effort to not wrinkle the sheetmetal. I still got a bit in the same relative area, but not as bad as on the passenger side.
In the end the welds on the driver side looked a lot better, as I got more practice. The final result was pretty sweet!
Now I really had to decide on a solution to the gas cap thing. I had come to the conclusion that wayyy too much of my custom fenders had to be cut away to use the stock fill location and lid as is. So I focused on option 2 and 3. For option 2 it seems a couple FD guys had replaced the stock fill lid with the original audi tt fuel fill lid a couple years back. It apparently had identical curves to the FD in the fuel fill area, and was a relatively simple matter to install. Also the fill lid was reduced to only about 4.5" so I could keep my fenders looking as they were. While I did not like the look of the lid, i figured I could just smooth over the visible bolt holes in the audi lid surround, and just have the look of the smaller fuel door. So I found one on eBay. When I went to fit it I found that it is made of aluminum, and not stainless like I thought. That made welding it a no-go. Also it retains the hinge location for the fill door (fore side) which means the door has to swing into the fender, so more clearance would be needed. Also I would need to do some custom cabling, etc in order to get it to work. If I wanted to stick with option #2 it would be a bunch of time. But I had found another option...
I remembered a pretty wicked option I had seen, and went back to the rx7 club to look it up. It was our very own czwalga00gt's thread about his Pettit fender install and the custom fill relocation he did. It too would be a ton of work, but in the end it was pretty damn slick. I sent him a PM to see how he liked it, but never got any feedback. After about a week I decided I would go for it, the final verdict was Option #3. By saying F-it I went from a big mess, into an even bigger mess.
BTW Anyone want an Audi TT fuel fill door? First I cut the access hole into the cabin for the fuel fill hose with a hole saw.
Then I made a plate to keep water from the fender area from spraying up into the old fill location, and welded it on.
(I later had to enlarge it for a different grommet)
First I cut out my patch panel for the fill door, tried to replicate the curve of the body, and welded it into place. Then I made the small piece to complete the fender, and welded it up:
Now I was pretty much done with the welding. But the grinding needed to be done. I wanted to grind down my welds so the guys that do the body work need only a minimal amount of filler, and don't charge me for the grinding. It was a major PIA. My forearms hurt just thinking about it! I must have spent 2 days with ~6 hours a day grinding those welds down. Eventually it was done, and my garage looked like a real fab shop with metal shavings in piles on the floor. (BTW that is how I got my avatar pic, I call it finger tracing in metal shavings
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Now I could get them primed, and protected. My initial plan was to use the POR-15 I had and spray it with a refillable spray can I got at Harbor Freight. The spray can turned out to be a POS, and I had to toss it and the POR-15. I just went with Duplicolor primer, and sealer instead.
All that was left was to seal up the underside with some liner panels I had made up of sheet metal previously. They were riveted into place, and then sealed with body seam sealer:
Back on the fuel fill front there was work to be done. I had found and ordered the special fill caps that czwalga00gt used on his build, so I could take measurements and plan how I would make this work. I wanted the cap to sit flush under the plastic trim panel, so I measured everything several times, then cut a 3" spacer pipe to offset the fuel fill below the metal surface. Then I used a 3" hole saw to cut the hole under the trim where I would re-locate the fill.
The spacer piece was then slid inside the hole until flush with the mounting surface.
Then I welded the ridge around the top.
I wanted the fill neck to be a separate bolt in piece in case I needed to service it in the future. So I made the necessary trimming to the original mounting flange, and torched on 3 flange nuts for mounting:
Then I drilled 3 holes for the stainless mounting hardware.
For better routing and clearance I got a 90 degree elbow welded on in a clocked position to allow better routing of the fill hose.
Then I painted it and cleaned it up and tried the install. After a lot of problems with sealing grommets, and fuel safe hoses I got a reasonable result.
I still have to test the fuel fill, and see the fit of the wheels and tires, but the hard work is done.
Here endith the fender saga.