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Offline Rhino1

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Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2021, 04:26:29 PM »
A bit of an odd suggestion but have you considered an angled core, with fins more in line with the air flow?

https://www.motorsportradiators.co.uk/BMR_45_degree_radiator_core

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Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2021, 04:45:18 PM »
A bit of an odd suggestion but have you considered an angled core, with fins more in line with the air flow?

https://www.motorsportradiators.co.uk/BMR_45_degree_radiator_core

Funny, I was just going to mention the concern with Angle.  When I designed my original radiator setup back in 2006, I worked with HOWE on sizing.  One of the questions they asked was if it was going to be angled or straight up and down.  They needed this information to properly size the core thickness.     

The chart that Jakewah posted was interesting.  According to that, the samberg setup should have enough cooling for most of us.  I can say my Howe setup was MUCH better, car would never go above 205...

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Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2021, 10:47:10 PM »
I used this honeycomb - https://www.treadstoneperformance.com/honeycomb-maf-mass-air-meter-airflow-straightener/p103828

As for pushing the filter down further could help solve the MAF and heatsoak issues.  My only question would be fitment, the filter might end up lower in the opening.  I had also thought about doing this style:

That's the right stuff. When I did mine no one was selling these except PC fan companies.

Howe knew my rad had a 30 lat back and sized accordingly. Was honestly pretty darn happy with the outcome.
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Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2021, 04:45:43 AM »
I guess I'm in the minority. I like option 2 for the filter

Offline carlb

Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2021, 04:13:46 PM »
I agree. I prefer better over prettier. Which seems to be option 2.

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Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2021, 05:59:21 AM »
I hadn't heard of slanting fins in the rad before...  Interesting.  We're in discussions with a well known core supplier, let me look into that one.  Personally, I'm kinda leaning toward option 2 as well, but we're still investigating.  Hood clearance is probably the biggest factor and the packaging improves a bit going that way.
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Offline Exidous

Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2021, 08:16:20 PM »
How well would option two work with a condenser? Would be great to get one with more capacity than what the samberg used. I had to reduce oil to 4oz to get really good cooling from the system.
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Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2021, 01:04:20 PM »
Anything you can do to maximize hood clearance and minimize bumper fitment issues would be stellar. Several years on I am still fighting with hood gap and I believe it's due to my intake pipe pushing up against hood bracing and not allowing it to fully close, and I really don't want to cut the hood again if I can avoid it. There is a long history of people fighting with this with varying solutions and degrees of success and it would be nice to have something that just works perfectly without additional tweaking.

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For people who own their cars for a long time, a readily replaceable core would be helpful. Or a core that could possibly be easily repaired? Having welded brackets to the side would make this a part that can only be replaced as long as Ronin is making it or a custom shop helps make a one off replacement.

Second this but understand the challenges that come associated with it.

Offline collin.griffin

Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2021, 07:53:14 PM »
I really like the design of option 1. If the divider panel to separate the filter from the radiator you have designed can mitigate turbulent airflow from the fans/heat soak it might be worth a shot. I really look forward to seeing what you guys come up with!

Offline frijolee

Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2021, 02:43:15 AM »
Plot twist.  I think I can make the radiator work for an FC. 
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Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2021, 07:06:17 AM »
Anyone use that corvette style intake with a larger throttle body?   Is that an issue/concern?     My long term is to do an LSA swap hopefully next spring The Throttle body turns to the right on that setup.  So I would probably have to plumb the intake to the right and down into the bumper.  I like this shrouded radiator style so I guess I would need a Non-corvette filter option that blocked off that opening?

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Offline shawn_m

Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2021, 12:39:46 AM »
Plot twist.  I think I can make the radiator work for an FC.
Just the radiator or the whole radiator and OTR setup?


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Offline frijolee

Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2021, 05:25:56 PM »
FC would be just the radiator/fans but with the isolation strategy we can make it work.  As far as I can tell, OTR on an FC means wiping out the hood latch and running pins so we'd let folks DIY that if desired.
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Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2021, 05:35:28 PM »
FC would be just the radiator/fans but with the isolation strategy we can make it work.  As far as I can tell, OTR on an FC means wiping out the hood latch and running pins so we'd let folks DIY that if desired.
Yeah mine is long gone anyway. Ill be interested to see how fitment ends up though. My radiator is a bit too tall to allow for OTR and Id really like to go that route.




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Re: FD Radiator/Intake Combo - RONIN's design
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2021, 05:26:14 PM »
I would be down for an FC OTR development!


I run the Jags That Run Radiator setup which has a ton of room for intake piping.



As for the hood pins and the eye sore most are.....these look like a much cleaner option: https://www.quik-latch.com/QL-38-Series-Hood-Pins.html



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