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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2020, 06:59:47 AM »
yeah those long ramps would be nice!  I just took my original FD I built back in 07 (that my buddy now owns) to get tuned.  I had a hard time getting it onto the trailer with the 5' ramps.  I jacked the front up as high as i could and found some boards to put on the ramps.   I need to get some race ramps or make some nicer wood pieces.   This car had a low exhaust flange what would catch on the transition from angle to flat on the trailer.   I had a huge issue with this with my FD because of the crappy trans mount the previous owner made.  I have replaced it but haven't had that car on the trailer yet.   I will likely try to make some ramp extensions since I can do that for $20 instead of buying $300 race ramps.   Even though I would love to have the race ramps.


The Yukon Denali I was hoping to get sold asap.  It was priced low so I am not surprised.  I am still looking.  I think I have raised my budget to $15,000 though in efforts to get something as nice as I can get.
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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2020, 06:57:26 AM »
yeah those long ramps would be nice!  I just took my original FD I built back in 07 (that my buddy now owns) to get tuned.  I had a hard time getting it onto the trailer with the 5' ramps.  I jacked the front up as high as i could and found some boards to put on the ramps.   I need to get some race ramps or make some nicer wood pieces.   This car had a low exhaust flange what would catch on the transition from angle to flat on the trailer.   I had a huge issue with this with my FD because of the crappy trans mount the previous owner made.  I have replaced it but haven't had that car on the trailer yet.   I will likely try to make some ramp extensions since I can do that for $20 instead of buying $300 race ramps.   Even though I would love to have the race ramps.


The Yukon Denali I was hoping to get sold asap.  It was priced low so I am not surprised.  I am still looking.  I think I have raised my budget to $15,000 though in efforts to get something as nice as I can get.

My buddy uses some 2 x 10s about 8' long as ramp extensions and they work well.  U haul trailers are open center but way overbuilt and super heavy.  Switching to my new trailer is a huge difference from the uhaul trailers I used to use.  I love my Avalanche but it is as big as a full size truck.  What about a newer chevy colorado?  Not sure if they are 15k used yet or not
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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2020, 09:46:04 PM »
I was actually looking for an SUV to tow with, as I eventually am getting a trailer. I was leaning towards a 2012-2014 TDI Touareg. I will need to use it as a daily driver, so I don't want anything too large. The decent gas mileage is a plus.
My only worry is not having enough power, 240hp/405ft/lbs seems a little light for the 7700 towing capacity.

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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2020, 06:58:41 AM »
I was actually looking for an SUV to tow with, as I eventually am getting a trailer. I was leaning towards a 2012-2014 TDI Touareg. I will need to use it as a daily driver, so I don't want anything too large. The decent gas mileage is a plus.
My only worry is not having enough power, 240hp/405ft/lbs seems a little light for the 7700 towing capacity.

I had a 2007 V10 TDi Touareg.  I loved the vehicle.  They do have their "quarks" though.   They are a small vehicle though.   Make sure you get the self leveling suspension.  I would get an aluminum trailer also.  I used to tow FDs around town with it and it did fine.  But I don't think I would want to pull very far with it or to any where with curvy, bumpy interstate roads.  (like construction areas).   Also you need to be very aware of tongue weight limits and things like that, do your research.  I think the Touareg's payload capacity is only 11** pounds also.   

as far as HP.  My V10 only had like 310hp but with 550ft/lbs it would still take off from a light even with 5000lbs behind it.

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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2020, 12:33:19 AM »
I am a little worried about the tongue weight, but I am stuck with not wanting a giant SUV/ wanting good fuel mileage.
For not wanting to tow long distance, is it too squirrelly or do the bumps upset it too much?

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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2020, 11:17:40 AM »
If tongue weight is an issue, get a weight distributing hitch.
Sway control systems also help with crosswinds, and passing trucks.
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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2020, 06:59:00 AM »
I am a little worried about the tongue weight, but I am stuck with not wanting a giant SUV/ wanting good fuel mileage.
For not wanting to tow long distance, is it too squirrelly or do the bumps upset it too much?

I think the Touareg doesn't have a very high tongue weight capacity so I would as cobra said get a weight distributing hitch and maybe a sway control system.  I am not sure how they came up with the Tow rating but the payload is pretty low compared to that.   For long distance there are just too many situations on the highway were there is uneven pavement, large bumps, poor road conditions through construction.   Its just not a good feeling pulling through those things with the small vehicle.
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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2020, 10:32:37 PM »
Whatever you do, don't try to move the load back on the trailer to lower your tongue weight too much.
You WILL end up with a dangerous sway condition, and it can be totally uncontrollable at the worst times, usually descending a grade.
Many tow vehicles and trailers have ended up inverted from trailer sway.  :banghead:

You generally need around 10% of the total trailer weight on the hitch for it to be stable.
With a weight distributing hitch, you can easily go 15% or more and it should tow very nice.
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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2020, 03:01:04 AM »
I towed my FD with a 6-cylinder 4.0 Grand Cherokee WJ (195 hp / 230 lbft, 3920 lbs curb weight for the 4x4 version). 

The trailer had brakes and the Jeep did great.  It also did ok when someone pulled out in front of me while I was towing a car at 65-70 mph and had to swerve off the road to avoid hitting them.

That being said I probably would not want to tow with anything lighter than that or with any less power than that. 

The Jeep was my DD at the time and if I remember correctly I got 16-17 mpg out of it. Not exactly known for great mileage but probably still better than some larger cheap SUVs and trucks at the time.

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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2020, 07:25:26 AM »
Do your calculations. 
Trailer: 2400lbs
Car: 2800lbs
Tongue weight (10% of above): 520lbs
Driver/passenger weight: 300lbs
Tank of fuel (20 gallons): 168lbs
Extra stuff in the vehicle: 100lbs? (you can save a some here by putting this stuff on the trailer but make sure you stay under your towing capacity and tongue weight capacity)

Add the last 4 together 1088lbs... so as long as your payload rating is higher than that you should be good (mathematically speaking). 

They make scales to actually weigh your trailer tongue weight but they are like $150.  I would probably get one if I had decided to get a smaller tow vehicle that I might be closer to tongue weight limits.

Like Cobra said you should keep the majority of your weight towards the front of the trailer to avoid the sway in the trailer.  There are some video's online of the value of where you focus your load (insert porn joke here). 

I would see people on the BMW forums with X5's and a lot of people on the Touareg forums towing with these vehicles and loving it.  Just for safety and sanity I would probably get the tongue weight scale, do a load leveling hitch, and whatever else to make sure my setup was as safe and stable as possible.   Also check with your insurance on how they cover everything if you were to have an accident.  I had full coverage on my RX7 but only liability on my Excursion and I was asking about coverage for the trailer.  They said what I really needed to cover everything I was towing was full coverage on the Excursion with enough property damage liability to cover what I was pulling and anything else I might damage if I were to wreck.

Back to the Touareg.  They have super huge brakes, you will have no issues with brakes.   Where I did have issues was trailer lights.   New trailers have LED lights and the Touareg's super fancy computers cant handle that.  I tried an expensive adapter and it didn't work.  I ended up having to put non LED lights on the trailer to get them to work properly.   eTrailers.com has a lot of good information on all of this stuff too.  If I had the money I would for sure get a lighter trailer.  I think an 18' aluminum trailer would be perfect for me.  I'd even do a 16' trailer but I like the extra space on the trailer if I ever had to put a larger vehicle on there for any reason.  Plus I let my friends and family borrow the trailer whenever they need it.
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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2020, 11:15:18 AM »
Do your calculations. 
Trailer: 2400lbs
Car: 2800lbs
Tongue weight (10% of above): 520lbs
Driver/passenger weight: 300lbs
Tank of fuel (20 gallons): 168lbs
Extra stuff in the vehicle: 100lbs? (you can save a some here by putting this stuff on the trailer but make sure you stay under your towing capacity and tongue weight capacity)

Add the last 4 together 1088lbs... so as long as your payload rating is higher than that you should be good (mathematically speaking). 

They make scales to actually weigh your trailer tongue weight but they are like $150.  I would probably get one if I had decided to get a smaller tow vehicle that I might be closer to tongue weight limits.

Like Cobra said you should keep the majority of your weight towards the front of the trailer to avoid the sway in the trailer.  There are some video's online of the value of where you focus your load (insert porn joke here). 

I would see people on the BMW forums with X5's and a lot of people on the Touareg forums towing with these vehicles and loving it.  Just for safety and sanity I would probably get the tongue weight scale, do a load leveling hitch, and whatever else to make sure my setup was as safe and stable as possible.   Also check with your insurance on how they cover everything if you were to have an accident.  I had full coverage on my RX7 but only liability on my Excursion and I was asking about coverage for the trailer.  They said what I really needed to cover everything I was towing was full coverage on the Excursion with enough property damage liability to cover what I was pulling and anything else I might damage if I were to wreck.

Back to the Touareg.  They have super huge brakes, you will have no issues with brakes.   Where I did have issues was trailer lights.   New trailers have LED lights and the Touareg's super fancy computers cant handle that.  I tried an expensive adapter and it didn't work.  I ended up having to put non LED lights on the trailer to get them to work properly.   eTrailers.com has a lot of good information on all of this stuff too.  If I had the money I would for sure get a lighter trailer.  I think an 18' aluminum trailer would be perfect for me.  I'd even do a 16' trailer but I like the extra space on the trailer if I ever had to put a larger vehicle on there for any reason.  Plus I let my friends and family borrow the trailer whenever they need it.
You can also do a little leverage beam setup with a bathroom scale if you don't feel like spending the cash for a tongue weight scale (or you're in a pinch)

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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2020, 10:13:16 PM »

You can also do a little leverage beam setup with a bathroom scale if you don't feel like spending the cash for a tongue weight scale (or you're in a pinch)
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I also have an open aluminum trailer.  The lower weight is nice when towing with a smaller vehicle, but the best part is I'm not constantly touching up rusty paint chips.  :bacon:
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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2020, 10:33:31 PM »
I would stay FAR away from any VW/Audi product if you want a reliable car.... or just don't want to put thousands into them every couple years.  '05+ V6 Toyota had the good 5spd automatic.  Same engine/trans basically from '05 to current 4Runners.  They tow well.... I have an '05 Tundra V6 and had an '07 4Runner V6 and it towed a boat/car trailer without any issues.  They just get crap fuel economy.  If you don't need 4wd you can get a 2wd Dodge Ram 1500 ecodiesel '17+ preferred for pretty damn cheap after all the rebates (under $20K new).  They will get nearly 30mpg hwy and can tow 9000lbs.  Towing they will still get 25mpg not driving like an *sshole.  V8 Sequoia, V8 4runner, LX470, Landcruiser V8 all very reliable choices.  The Nissan V8 isn't the most reliable.  Bottom line.... a cheaper Japanese truck/SUV (hint Toyota) will have great resale and do the job well.  Plus you can easily work on them yourself. 
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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2020, 08:49:48 PM »
Do your calculations. 
Trailer: 2400lbs
Car: 2800lbs
Tongue weight (10% of above): 520lbs
Driver/passenger weight: 300lbs
Tank of fuel (20 gallons): 168lbs
Extra stuff in the vehicle: 100lbs? (you can save a some here by putting this stuff on the trailer but make sure you stay under your towing capacity and tongue weight capacity)

Add the last 4 together 1088lbs... so as long as your payload rating is higher than that you should be good (mathematically speaking). 

They make scales to actually weigh your trailer tongue weight but they are like $150.  I would probably get one if I had decided to get a smaller tow vehicle that I might be closer to tongue weight limits.

Like Cobra said you should keep the majority of your weight towards the front of the trailer to avoid the sway in the trailer.  There are some video's online of the value of where you focus your load (insert porn joke here). 

I would see people on the BMW forums with X5's and a lot of people on the Touareg forums towing with these vehicles and loving it.  Just for safety and sanity I would probably get the tongue weight scale, do a load leveling hitch, and whatever else to make sure my setup was as safe and stable as possible.   Also check with your insurance on how they cover everything if you were to have an accident.  I had full coverage on my RX7 but only liability on my Excursion and I was asking about coverage for the trailer.  They said what I really needed to cover everything I was towing was full coverage on the Excursion with enough property damage liability to cover what I was pulling and anything else I might damage if I were to wreck.

Back to the Touareg.  They have super huge brakes, you will have no issues with brakes.   Where I did have issues was trailer lights.   New trailers have LED lights and the Touareg's super fancy computers cant handle that.  I tried an expensive adapter and it didn't work.  I ended up having to put non LED lights on the trailer to get them to work properly.   eTrailers.com has a lot of good information on all of this stuff too.  If I had the money I would for sure get a lighter trailer.  I think an 18' aluminum trailer would be perfect for me.  I'd even do a 16' trailer but I like the extra space on the trailer if I ever had to put a larger vehicle on there for any reason.  Plus I let my friends and family borrow the trailer whenever they need it.

I am planning on getting the tongue scale, as I plan on doing more with the trailer than just move my RX7 (mini tractor, loads of lumber, etc). It is worth the extra money (for me) for the weird cases where the tongue weight isn't as straight forward.

Good to know about the lights - I was planning on getting a 2012-2014, which hopefully they fixed the problem by then. I will look at the forums to see if people are still having issues.

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Re: Smallest SUV you would tow with
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2020, 06:44:15 AM »
I am planning on getting the tongue scale, as I plan on doing more with the trailer than just move my RX7 (mini tractor, loads of lumber, etc). It is worth the extra money (for me) for the weird cases where the tongue weight isn't as straight forward.

Good to know about the lights - I was planning on getting a 2012-2014, which hopefully they fixed the problem by then. I will look at the forums to see if people are still having issues.

yeah there is a Touareg forum.  I used it quite a bit.  I would hope they fixed the light issue by then.  It's just a resistance thing.   Check for a list of common issues with that generation also.  The generation i had (same with the cayanne) was the sun roof drains would clog then flood the drivers floor board and there was a big wire harness there and it would corrode and cause all sorts of issues.   Also the body drains would get plugged and would fill with water.    All easy fixes but you gotta know about them to fix them!
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