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Re: The JefeFD - Jordan Innovations' LSA/YSi FD Time Attack Car
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2013, 07:54:41 PM »
Excited to meet you in person Rich (and Mike)!  We're going good today, plumbing and doing intercooler tanks and piping.  Still haven't broken the engine in.  Going to break a Dynapack dyno setup tomorrow morning (they say it'll only do 900ft-lbs), then up to Coalinga to play with my car friends on the Airstrip.

So, in other words, a totally standard race week for Jordan Innovations lol.

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Re: The JefeFD - Jordan Innovations' LSA/YSi FD Time Attack Car
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2013, 08:40:54 PM »
Excited to meet you in person Rich (and Mike)!  We're going good today, plumbing and doing intercooler tanks and piping.  Still haven't broken the engine in.  Going to break a Dynapack dyno setup tomorrow morning (they say it'll only do 900ft-lbs), then up to Coalinga to play with my car friends on the Airstrip.

So, in other words, a totally standard race week for Jordan Innovations lol.

Now don't get ahead of yourself. 
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Re: The JefeFD - Jordan Innovations' LSA/YSi FD Time Attack Car
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2013, 09:09:12 AM »
so what happened??

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Re: The JefeFD - Jordan Innovations' LSA/YSi FD Time Attack Car
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2013, 10:20:37 PM »
Rich went 155mph in his m3
I went 188mph in my gtr with a bad turbo

Jeff did not make it.
Turbo LS9 RX7

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Re: The JefeFD - Jordan Innovations' LSA/YSi FD Time Attack Car
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2013, 10:22:28 PM »
hmm.
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Re: The JefeFD - Jordan Innovations' LSA/YSi FD Time Attack Car
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2013, 01:43:50 AM »
Haha, where to start.

We got the engine built on Weds->Thursday, and picked up the remainder of the lines and fittings to finish the updated fuel system.  Still needed a few things (and a lot of work), but were looking good.  Then I started test-fitting accessories and NOTHING was lining up - the crank hub and pulley are two separate pieces (ATI via Vortech) and the power steering pump bolts into the Vortech bracket... those seemed close.  The water pump was way off, and the alternator was off quite a bit.  Anthony (fabricator) rolled over to help me figure out intercooler end-tanks after he and Robert took care of "Project: FD axles + Explorer axles = a huge mess and FD 8.8 axles" - thanks guys!

Turns out my water pump was from the LSA, which has the Corvette offset (really close to the engine) whereas all the Camaro pumps are VVT-friendly, so they're spaced way the hell out from the timing cover.  The alternator bracket needed some clearancing from the Comp timing cover, but eventually got settled and lined up.  So as of Friday night-> Saturday morning, we had an engine that could go in the car, but no water pump, and also needed some work (some new wiring and fuel stuff, intercooler tanks fab'd, and diff installed).  I had to give a go/no-go at 10am, for dyno at noon, and since we couldn't get a LS3 water pump from a dealer (and no AC Delco parts dealers had one) we had to call it.

Mark (GNX7) called me Saturday and gave me the run-down, heard about Mike's bad luck with one of the new turbos going out, and a couple guys breaking... and the UGR Lambo going 210+mph!  Crazy stuff.  Wish I could have made it, but we'll have it out for Formula D Irwindale this week at one of the booths in the pits and take it to the track the week after that most likely. 

Now for pics!

Decking the block, only took .004", deck height ended up right where I expected at 9.350"


Callies Magnum crank on the balancer, JE Asym FSR coated pistons/wrist pins and Callies Ultra Billet rods out to be weighed. 


Bob weight under 1700g if I recall, drilled the shit out of the crank lol.  Greg got it balanced to 0.0g on the front and like 0.5g on the back, mmmooonnnneyyyyyyyyyy


Greg suggested we get Clevite HNK (race, narrow, coated) and HNXK (race, narrow, coated, .001" extra clearance) main and rod bearings, so we can dial the oil clearances to .0005" by using half of one and half of another if needed ~ throw in some Calico-coated Durabond cam bearings, and you've got $750 in f'ing bearings.   :barf:  Came in super handy though, and now I've got another set of bearings for a customer motor/etc.


Mains lookin' real pretty after the rough line hone, and you can also see the baller dowels that Greg put in for cap alignment and the piston oil squirter holes that the LSA and LS9 blocks have


My little brother showed up with the supercharger box, so we did a little product photography.  I might have posted this the other night - 4" piston never looked so small.


Greg didn't spec out these springs, the guys at SDPC did, so we checked them for pressure at installed height, pressure at full lobe lift, and how much past max lift before coil bind - these are .660" springs and the cam runs out to .630" or something, but they had over .100" more travel before coil bind... this can make the valve oscillate more than it needs to, but we didn't have enough shims to do all the valves, so it's on the list of "Things to Maybe Do Someday, Maybe".


Here's Justin @ Millennium doing his typical picture pose, and filing my rings at the same time.  When you know the thermal expansion characteristics of the block, pistons, and rings, you can nail the ring gap for perfect seal at temperature without ring end contact - or so Greg says  :cheers:  Gaps are pretty tight for a blown motor, and laughably tigher than the JE spec sheet says for "supercharged alcohol" engine.


One of my favorite pieces in the entire engine - the .005" short Comp billet timing set.  Since the mains needed to be cleaned up, the crank centerline moved up closer to the cam, and a standard chain would be 'loose'.  This one is beefcake, and was so tight I almost couldn't get it installed.  I really saw no need for the OEM LSA tensioner, but hey, I bought it, so in it went.


Pushrods - ooooooh, pushrods.  We're using Comp's limited-travel race lifters (which look like black LS7 lifters), which supposedly have .050" travel but only like to be preloaded .005".  After the heads came back from WCCH and Greg did a valve job, we set all the valve stem lengths the same as installed in the heads (with this awesome Sonnex attachment for a little tiny bench grinder) so why the HELL did I end up with .020" difference between my shortest pushrod and longest?  After approx 30hrs building this engine, it stumped us, but we measured 3x with a control pushrod on each lifter and a feeler gauge under the rocker tip to get true pushrod length and landed within .001", so the measurements look legit.  Manton Pushrods made custom 11/32", .120" wall, 210* tip rods in three different lengths so I could get them all within .003" of their targets, all in <24hrs.  Thanks Al!


Pushrods installed with stock LS3 rockers (with Comp trunnion bearing upgrade)


Polished covers on with fancy pants ARP hardware, stock LS3 coilpack, Taylor Pro409 wires and SpaceAge boots


Annnnnnnnd, that's where I went to sleep at about dawn on Saturday morning... 5 LS-powered cars tucked in there, along with a rotary and RB26 car.  Peep the killer Porsche endurance racer in the back of the shop though!

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Re: The JefeFD - Jordan Innovations' LSA/YSi FD Time Attack Car
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2013, 02:10:12 AM »
Then, Saturday afternoon we started with my first 'alternative fuel' fillup for a car I actually own - love that this is like a mile from my house!


Little test-fit of the blower bracket once we pulled the hub and verified everything's where it should be, #superchargersaturday!


Double-keyed crank and drive hub - the Callies Magnum crank came keyed, but didn't include the key, and the blower hub was broached to clear a custom-made tool steel key (Greg @ Millennium has helped with SO MANY of these little custom things)



Finally addressed my fuel pump pickup issue - a 'sprint car' style "back corner" pickup just DOES NOT work on a car like this, and putting extra pickups just introduces air.  These pickups use a 70 micron mesh and are spring-loaded, so when they suck air they pop closed.  AWESOME!



Made these little aluminum 'fingers' to keep them flat(er) on the bottom of the tank. 


Guess this isn't a street car, according to Vortech...


Redid my fuel lines so they went above the new Ronin subframe, floor took about 1/2" of clearancing to clear 10an lines with the big rubber hose I put around it


Finally got my pilot bearing from the dealer (absolutely NO parts stores had them over the weekend) and got the ACT T1R-G01 installed.  This is the same drive wheel and pressure plate that was in the car when the previous driveshaft/trans had their little 'issue', but it went back to ACT to get our street discs swapped for the 6-puck discs (T1S-G01 -> T1R-G01). 



Pulled the ID2000's out of the bags to test my FAST fuel rail fitment, so small, so fuckin' pricey, so coooooooool


Need to make brackets, apparently all the FAST rails are designed specifically for FAST manifolds.  Blah.







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Re: The JefeFD - Jordan Innovations' LSA/YSi FD Time Attack Car
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2013, 11:16:37 AM »
Awesome work! I can't wait to see this thing done.
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Re: The JefeFD - Jordan Innovations' LSA/YSi FD Time Attack Car
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2013, 11:50:56 AM »
That is a nice looking motor!

I hear ya on how much a set of quality bearings can cost!  Been there.... done that.

What oil pump are you running?  Factory style dry sump?  Did it require any clearancing for the dual timing chain?

I hope you have a tester for the e85 as you know it can vary in % quite a bit.  Great job so far!  Hope you can keep this beast cool on the road course.
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Re: The JefeFD - Jordan Innovations' LSA/YSi FD Time Attack Car
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2013, 12:57:01 PM »
Q: How do you titillate an ocelot?

A: You oscillate it's tit a lot

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Re: The JefeFD - Jordan Innovations' LSA/YSi FD Time Attack Car
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2013, 06:42:20 AM »
Lol thanks guys.  Mark, down here we're only seeing 5-10% - I've never heard of anyone report anything less than E70, and the couple tuners I listen to say the tune doesn't change much after E60.  I've got a graduated cylinder to double-check what goes in, and a GM FlexFuel sensor for ethanol content and fuel temp measurements plumbed into the return line.

Got a bunch of little crap done, then plopped the engine in and bolted the bracket and blower up - I'd measured everything, but was still very happy to see that it all cleared the frame and strut tower.  Have I mentioned how nice it is to have a removable tube front and a air-over-hydraulic engine hoist, with a load leveler?  Makes putting the engine in a one-man, 10 minute job, and that's if I drink a beer for 5 mins.


... except, there is no goddamned way it was clearing the hood.  CRAP!


So I put on my smarty-pants and started playing with clocking the head unit, and looked at how much of the strut tower webbing I could cut without having to plate anything


And BAM, fitment will be absolutely money with a cast 90* on there (inboard of the wheel at full lock, has the cast 90 then a short run of piping to my IC inlet, no labyrinth of bends).  Turns out I didn't need to cut that much, *thug life*


So I clapped myself on the back and went home after taking one last pic.  Accessories and cooling system on tomorrow, IC core finished and piped, and we'll start makin' some whooshy, whining noises.

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Re: The JefeFD - Jordan Innovations' LSA/YSi FD Time Attack Car
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2013, 11:47:39 AM »
Good lawd those brackets are huge haha loving this build.  I got a question though - are you going to use a ATI sprag pulley for the blower and the one thats there now is just for fitment/dyno use?

Other question, looks like you could clock the volute closer to the engine and run the piping above the frame rail? or not enough room?
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Re: The JefeFD - Jordan Innovations' LSA/YSi FD Time Attack Car
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2013, 10:11:36 PM »
Such a badass build sir. Can't wait to hear it running!

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Re: The JefeFD - Jordan Innovations' LSA/YSi FD Time Attack Car
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2013, 05:14:36 PM »
Got the intercooler core mocked up, Accusump mounts chopped off to be moved, and need to trim my radiator down 5 rows or so to get it to fit now that the huge crank hub shares that space.

Drivers side inlet needs to get chopped and get a bend on there.


My guy in the back thought it'd be awesome to sticker the inside of the hub, #showcar


... aaaaaaaaannnnddd the volute and cog are going to poke through the hood.  Not super pumped about it, but will definitely look "gangster" or whatever.  Might come up with a cover for it depending on what my aero guy says - pressurizing the engine bay kills the front diffuser.


Good lawd those brackets are huge haha loving this build.  I got a question though - are you going to use a ATI sprag pulley for the blower and the one thats there now is just for fitment/dyno use?

Other question, looks like you could clock the volute closer to the engine and run the piping above the frame rail? or not enough room?

Haha thanks!  No sprag pulley available for the "little" Vortech V7's, only the race stuff.  Volute can't come any closer because the power steering pump and reservoir still needs to get in there, and even so, it won't clear a 3" pipe (already stuffed a 3" cast elbow in there to try haha). 

Such a badass build sir. Can't wait to hear it running!

Thanks :)  Hope to have it making noise today.