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Title: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: N0$0up4u on June 13, 2018, 12:20:20 PM
**** This car is now available as a roller with all parts listed below with the exception of the engine and transmission. Price is $4000 for the roller and ronin rear end setup, This is an exceptionally clean shell with high quality parts***

The time has come.

As racing takes precedent, I need to offload my V8 FC. I purchased this car from the one and only Don (Bikedad) two years ago and it has been an utter joy to live with over the time I've had it in my care. I don't need to sell the car, but Porsche is calling my name and I need to have one fewer horse in the stable.

Most of this thread will be copied from Don's prior sale ad, because the car is in exactly the same (if not better) condition than it was when i took ownership. The car presents just about exactly as it did when Don sold her to me so many of his photo are attached here as well. I will add more as the post is up. Here goes:

So I've decided it's time to move on.
Looking to getting into a 987 Cayman for SCCA competition so one toy has to go to justify another.
A lot of you know this car and it's constant upgrades. I have continued with the trend over the last two years, focusing on reliability and fine tuning.

Here's the process (Bikedads Constant Rebuild): http://www.norotors.com/index.php?topic=86.msg810#msg810 (http://www.norotors.com/index.php?topic=86.msg810#msg810)

The body is probably a 9.5 out of 10 (all metal) very minor paint crack on the driver front fender from rolling for larger tires. Front and rear bumpers have limited spiderwebbing in the clear, but no paint failure. A simple sand and respray should cover the issue sustainably.
Interior is about 8 out of 10
SBC Gen1 2 bolt mains 383 Stroker with solid roller cam, Ported and polished Aluminum Edelbrock Etec 200 heads motor is very strong. Last dyno with the Ronin 8.8 3.73 (now 3.9) gears netted 390 RWHP with 405 Torque. Currently 7000 miles since last freshen. The car makes significantly more power now than it did during Don's ownership. The net gain came to 496 rwhp on a mustang dyno running 110 octane. Probably a bit optimistic given the dyno, but she runs like a raped ape regardless.  The car still runs great on 93 pump, and timing has since been adjusted from 'kill mode' running 110.

A conversion to a late model corvette alternator, change of distributor, carb rejet and timing advance have dramatically improved "area under the curve" in almost all driving situations.
Trans is an RSG Son of Tranzilla Magnum T-56. It also has about 7400 miles on it. (This trans was out of the car Fall 2018 due to what we thought was noise from the input shaft and possibly a bad ISB. Everything checked out. Its gear mesh and lash at idle. If you're not used to how loud a built T56 type trans can be at idle with a single mass flywheel, do some research.)
Center Force Dual Friction clutch is also about 7400 miles.
Ronin 8.8 swap is very fresh. Maybe 2400 miles on it.
There is just way too much to list here of what's installed. (It's been an ongoing project since 2008). I have receipts for every single part ever ordered and installed on the car.

Changes I have made:
 - Late model corvette alternator - significantly higher output at low RPM. We overspun the old CS style alternator at Watkins glen, and also realized the car wan't making enough spark at low RPM (running pig rich).
 - Carb has been rejetted and timing has been professionally adjusted to account for the fueling changes. The car runs much happier all over the rev range now. Top end is still there, but much of the low RPM tractability issues are gone.
 - New front control arm bushings (old ones were bound up)
 - New trailing arm bushings
 - Hawk HP+ pads at all 4 corners.
 - Brake MC replaced after noticing inconsistent pedal feel and travel at Watkins Glen.
 - New thermostat

I'm asking a firm $9500 for the car. To be sold whole. I will not separate anything. The car will come with a set of 18x11 cosmis wheels wrapped in brand new Toyo R888's (older date codes). The price is the price. There will be no negotiation unless we are negotiating delivery pricing. I can arrange trailering anywhere in the lower 48 for a fair price, to be paid by the purchasing individual.

Solid title. Can be driven home or to the nearest race track if you so desire. I have personally driven the car to Washington DC and back from Rochester, NY and experienced 0 difficulties along the way. Car has done two SCCA track night in america sessions, also with 0 drama. Its a rock solid platform, a true 500hp all motor build and a great starting point for a widebody full aero track monster.

This car is not for someone who has not owned owned or driven 500+ hp before. When this motor comes on cam, all hell breaks loose in gears 1 - 3. I'll gladly drive the car with you as passenger should you opt to come see her. Her name is Roxy, by the way.

From Don's Prior Sale Thread:
Engine/Drivetrain
-- Did you piece together the stroker kit, or was this an off the shelf kit (i.e. eagle, scat)?
-- Forged or cast Crank? Forged or hypereutectic pistons? Overbore size?
-- What CC size are the heads?
-- What type of headgaskets (i.e. composite, MLS, etc)?
-- What is the final compression ratio?
-- What type of oiling setup (i.e. pump, pan, scrapers, windage trays if any) are you using?
-- What are the cam specs (if known)?
-- What are the octane requirements?
-- What kind of Fuel Pump does the car have?
-- What type of driveshaft?
-- Is the clutch engaged using the stock Mazda hydraulics?
-- What type of flywheel?

Chassis/Suspension
-- What springs/strut setup is on the car currently?
-- Does it have aftermarket sway bars, if so, what size?  What about links?
-- Any chassis stiffening or bracing?
-- Do you currently have any means to mount a harnesses in the car?
-- I believe I saw a swap to S5 front control arms and rear DTSS eliminators - other than this, do you have any other suspension modifications?
-- Does the car have a true manual rack, or is it a converted PS Rack?
-- What braking modifications does the car have if any (pads, rotors, stainless lines, booster, etc)?


Responses:
Engine/Drivetrain
1)The stroker kit is an offering from my friends speed shop Kilpatrick Engines and Transmissions.
It's a Callies crank, SLP pistons (.30 over), Howards rods, etc.
2)I believe Callies cranks are forged. I think (not positive) it's a Dragon Slayer. Kilpatrick assembled the lower end of the block. I did everything from the cam up.
3)The heads are Edelbrock Etec 200cc heads. I redid them fresh out of the box with Beehive springs, relieved seats, titanium keepers. Ported, polished the bowls. (They're also port matched) to the Edelbrock Air Gap intake. The carb is an Edelbrock 800CFM Thunder
4) All gaskets throughout the engine are Fel-Pro Blue. Head gaskets their Performance Gasket for Aluminum heads. 7 quart oil pan with one piece Fel-Pro blue gasket.
5) Compression is 10.3:1 The block has been aligned honed and decked. Cam bearings are new.
6)Cam is a Comp Cams Xtreme Energy solid roller with Endurex Solid Roller lifters. (I have the cam card at home but typing this from work)
7) The engine runs great on 93 octane with our 10% ethanol added here in SE Wisconsin. I occasionally mix in a gallon of 110 VP leaded to a full tank. (Stuff smells so good LOL)
8)The fuel pump is the stock Mazda electric in tank. It was replaced about 4 years ago. I thought I was having a fuel pump issue but it turned out to be a problem with how I originally routed the fuel supply. I followed the Granny's instructions which were wrong. The real fix was installing a return type FPR. The carb has constant 6.5lbs pressure even on acceleration.
9) Driveshaft is a custom made steel 4" from "Machine Service" here in Wisconsin
10) The clutch master is a 1" Willwood feeding a stock Mazda slave which pushes the fork connected to the CenterForce TOB and CenterForce Dual Friction clutch.
11) Flywheel is an aluminum Fidanza

Chassis/SUspension
1)Front springs/shocks are Eibach lowering springs on KYB GR2 shocks, Rear setup are Megan Racing coilover 7 way adjustable
2) Front swaybar I believe is a Racing Beat bar (Original owner told me that) Rear is stock with Energy Suspension bushings, Front S5 LCA's have Energy Suspension bushings but rear is stock. Delrin DTSS Eliminators (also replaced the front and rear wheel bearings)
3)Front strut tower bar is a "Charlie Bar" manufactured by one of our own here on the site by Charlie Shatzen custom made to fit carburator. Rear strut tower bar is an Ebay knock off that works great.
4) There is no roll bar in the car. I was contemplating that for my next upgrade if I didn't sell the car. I started worrying about reaching the 150mph speeds last year at Road America
5) I swapped out the PS rack to a true manual rack a few years ago. I like the feel of the manual over the PS rack.
6) All brake calipers were replaced last year with OEM TII new. Brake lines are Stainless. (I think they were from Stop Tech) Currently has EBC Green Stuff pads. New brake master last year.

I have 99.9% of all receipts since I started building the car including from the previous owner who originally started the swap.
I have a few spare parts that will go with the car.
Brand new Hawk pads for the front. The rear Eibach/KYB shocks I originally had on the car (They still look new) I have an assortment of other spare parts like interior stuff etc that will go with the car as well.

I believe most of everything else has been posted in my "Bikedad's Constant Rebuild" thread which also has some links to other threads.

I can be reached at 716 - 706 - 8390. Please refrain from DM'ing me on this board, as I do not generally spend a huge amount of time on the forums. Really hoping a forum member here will come get her and give her another good home!

Nick
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: MPbdy on June 13, 2018, 12:44:10 PM
Whoa, sweet!  I love this car.

Glad to see it still in great shape and well taken care of.  Top shelf parts on this thing all around.
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: N0$0up4u on June 13, 2018, 01:05:33 PM
I love it too. I wish I had room to keep her and time to drive her. This season I've only put about 100 miles on her since bringing her out of storage.
This car will come with an extensive spares package. Just about all the normal FC replacement parts are included with the sale.

Car has a brand new OPTIMA red top battery and I've replaced the sunroof panel with a carbon fiber panel with a brand new gasket. Car never sees anything but sunny days and warm weather. She's also got ceramic paint protection coating from last season and its holding up nicely.
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: digitalsolo on June 13, 2018, 01:40:15 PM
That's a super deal for a very well sorted car.
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: BlnLs1/rx7 on June 13, 2018, 02:11:40 PM
Wish I had more garages.
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: N0$0up4u on June 13, 2018, 02:15:50 PM
I will post more current photos if this lasts into next week. I'm on the road for work right now, but the timing is right for the cayman I'm looking for. I also have spreadsheets and maintenance guidance information for this motor for the new owner.

Valve lash will be checked and adjusted prior to the new owner taking delivery as well. Don and I are still in regular contact discussing the car and updates. I will post a list of known items and upgrades the next owner should consider probably tonight.
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: N0$0up4u on June 16, 2018, 12:08:31 PM
The next owner of this car should consider a few ongoing upgrades to continue the progression of the build:
- convert the car to a true coil over, preferably something with double adjustability. I have actually considered working with fortune to take their single adjustable set up and develop a remote canister DA set up for the car, I can pass along all the information I have from them to the next owner.
- This car would likely benefit from an EFI fuel system conversion. She runs great on the carb, and has never given me any issues, but if you plan to drive her regularly it would be to your benefit to do the conversion and accept a little less WHP in exchange for tractability at low speeds.
- I am still running the stock seats, I find them comfortable, but seats have been on  my list for about a year. Other projects just got in the way. I trialed a corbeau fx1 pro on a planted mount and brackets when I did the track night event and the fit/position were great. I would suggest going with a set of those.
- The car needs a roll bar at a minimum and really should be caged, especially if you plan to drag it. I was Ďthat guyí and went deep into the 11ís at a local track, let out of it early and got scolded by the safety people for doing so. The car is fast enough that a cage or an auto power bolt in 4 point bar really are a necessity. I feel itís irresponsible to track it in its current state.
- There is still a lot of area under the curve to be gained with a proper set of long tube headers. Unfortunately those donít exist for a Gen1 application in the FC chassis. The Jeep swap headers get the job done, but a built 6.2 really deserves a proper set of tubular long tubes. I have an excellent fabricator I can put the next owner in touch with to accomplish this task.
- The manual steering rack is a joy....once youíre up to speed...the feel, the immediacy...theyíre great. But, and itís a big but...the car really should have a power steering rack back in it. Itís the type of car that can easily get away from you. Being able to safely feed in opposite lock on track can be the difference between a hero slide and kissing a tire wall. The grannyís PS kit will bolt right up. I have a power rack for the next owner to take with the car.
- Finally, my plan for this car was to go the widebody route. And if I donít find a buyer, that will be the next move. This was a high dollar, high quality build, from the beginning. The car needs more tire, more suspension, more everything to back up the awesome drivetrain. To make this car a complete package, the widebody is a must have.

Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: jwvand02 on June 16, 2018, 04:08:10 PM
Wow... the Ronin 8.8+T56 Magnum+Extremely well built motor are probably worth more than the asking price alone. 
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: N0$0up4u on June 16, 2018, 08:39:06 PM
I'll probably give this until the end of the month before I opt to sell one of my other toys and set about the task of turning this car into an SCCA super Street modified autocross car.

I've received a few inquiries regarding shipping and pricing. I'll reiterate: the price for the car is non negotiable. It's a steal at this price. As for shipping, I can have the car to you anywhere in the lower 48 or Ontario, Canada within two weeks of purchase. Buyer will be responsible for shipping costs. Once I know where you are I can quote to deliver the car.
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: jwvand02 on June 16, 2018, 09:03:27 PM
I'll probably give this until the end of the month before I opt to sell one of my other toys and set about the task of turning this car into an SCCA super Street modified autocross car.

I've received a few inquiries regarding shipping and pricing. I'll reiterate: the price for the car is non negotiable. It's a steal at this price. As for shipping, I can have the car to you anywhere in the lower 48 or Ontario, Canada within two weeks of purchase. Buyer will be responsible for shipping costs. Once I know where you are I can quote to deliver the car.

I thought all street mod cars could only have engines from the original manufacturer? Or do you intend to go 3 rotor or something wild?
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: N0$0up4u on June 16, 2018, 10:25:24 PM
SM rules have changed, non manufacturer swaps are becoming legal and we should soon see several LS swapped 7's which were running in XP, returning to SM. There are some specific rules regarding minimum weights that only apply to non OEM swaps.
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: jwvand02 on June 17, 2018, 01:13:30 AM
SM rules have changed, non manufacturer swaps are becoming legal and we should soon see several LS swapped 7's which were running in XP, returning to SM. There are some specific rules regarding minimum weights that only apply to non OEM swaps.
That's great to hear. All the swapped 7s here run E-mod
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: freeskier7791 on June 17, 2018, 07:40:29 AM
Very nice price for a super nice car. GLWS shouldn't last long

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Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: N0$0up4u on July 03, 2019, 12:45:37 PM
Bump.

Car is still in my possession and isn't seeing much use. Pilot is making noise in low speed situations, and the clutch could likely use a replacement some time in the nearish future (car is driven hard when its driven). Everything still shifts, grabs and modulates as it always has.

Contact me on here if interested. Car is in the same condition as a year ago. Garage kept and well maintained. She can sit for weeks or even months at a time, throw a battery in and she fires right up with no issues. Will consider replacing all four tires for the new owner (date codes are a few years old). Price is negotiable though Valve lash will be adjusted, all fluids will be changed and I will do the clutch / flywheel job if my asking price is met.

Give her a new home!
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: N0$0up4u on July 03, 2019, 12:52:00 PM
Link to Photos of the car as it sits:

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/14fWipytHyA-WHjXHQREm1GZV76WEejcx
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: N0$0up4u on July 23, 2019, 09:03:18 AM
Price Drop: $9500 takes the car.
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: N0$0up4u on August 11, 2019, 09:59:25 AM
Iíll consider separating the drivetrain from the car if a buyer comes forward. Message me on the forum to work out details if youíre interested.
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: N0$0up4u on September 10, 2019, 01:09:52 PM
Bump.

Car is now available as a full roller with the ronin rear end for $4000. One of, if not the cleanest, FC shell you're going to find anywhere. Throw an engine and trans in and go have your fun.
Title: Re: 1986 FC - 383 Gen1 Stroker - RSG Tranzilla - Ronin 8.8 - Bikedad Built
Post by: N0$0up4u on September 10, 2019, 04:55:19 PM
**Sale Pending***