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--Rx7's, Rx8's, Miatas,  S2000's,  Z-Cars (240, 350, 370...)  240sx's 300zx.... Why don't the Japanese just offer a non engine / tranny option for their new cars  :D

Maybe they could even partner with GM and offer an LS crate motor, haha. 

New Suby looks very good BTW!
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I'd be shocked if it weighed less than 2800-2900 lbs with fluids and no driver.
A few have been weighed and the weights are ranging from high 2600's to mid 2700's. I'm thinking 2800 will be closer to the max without a driver. Especially since they're really talking about weight being an integral part of making this a fun car and the bad PR would really sink sales on this one.
--Rx7's, Rx8's, Miatas,  S2000's,  Z-Cars (240, 350, 370...)  240sx's 300zx.... Why don't the Japanese just offer a non engine / tranny option for their new cars  :D

Maybe they could even partner with GM and offer an LS crate motor, haha. 

New Suby looks very good BTW!

Toyota will be selling the 86 in Japan in a stripped down model for the enthusiast in mind. It comes with steelies, no AC, and black bumpers. It would be interesting to see if Scion would do that here in the states for enthusiasts.

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Are these weighed cars US production cars sold through dealerships?    (serious question)    I'm impressed if so.
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Are these weighed cars US production cars sold through dealerships?    (serious question)    I'm impressed if so.

I'm pretty sure you know the answer to that one. Since none have been explicitly sold here in the US the answer would be no. The closest US car is Ken Gushi's Scion FR-S.

Ken Gushi's FD car ended up in the 2700-2799 weight class (that's including the driver) so take what you want from it between a stripped out car, all the racing and safety equipment added back in, along with the Cosworth EJ25 and his weight of 140 lbs (on the FD site) achieving a weight of 2800 lbs without a driver seems achievable.

If they don't nail the weight that they've been telling everyone it would be I think it's going to be a really hard sell for the general car buyer. All that weight will make the car feel sluggish and everyone will just move along to another manufacturer that has a car with more power and weight probably.

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FC/FD plug and play wiring harnesses, LSx swap AC systems, LSx swap power steering lines.

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...and/or with a lunched transmission you mean.. :yay:

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Soooo... LS swap potential of the new FRS, 86, BRZ (all the same shit)
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2012, 07:37:54 PM »
Bahahaha
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We've been following development of the FRS/BRZ for a while, and talked to Scion at SEMA about getting one for parts development.  I knew at that time that Ken was going to be driving one, but we didn't know who would be building/supporting it.  I joked that we'd love to put an LSx in it and I think that pretty much killed our chances, no one smiled haha.

Now that we're here, we are talking about having part-time access to two cars, hopefully we can investigate things.  We'll definitely be looking at doing headers/turbo kits/engine management/gauges/boost controllers/etc.  Measuring for LSx swap shouldn't be impossible.

The car is sized very well (it's almost as small as an FD) and has decent suspension geometry and a big enough engine bay... LSx swaps are definitely in it's future.  Then again, I said the same thing about the RX8...

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We've been following development of the FRS/BRZ for a while, and talked to Scion at SEMA about getting one for parts development.  I knew at that time that Ken was going to be driving one, but we didn't know who would be building/supporting it.  I joked that we'd love to put an LSx in it and I think that pretty much killed our chances, no one smiled haha.

Now that we're here, we are talking about having part-time access to two cars, hopefully we can investigate things.  We'll definitely be looking at doing headers/turbo kits/engine management/gauges/boost controllers/etc.  Measuring for LSx swap shouldn't be impossible.

The car is sized very well (it's almost as small as an FD) and has decent suspension geometry and a big enough engine bay... LSx swaps are definitely in it's future.  Then again, I said the same thing about the RX8...

:yay: lmao.. 

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If they don't nail the weight that they've been telling everyone it would be I think it's going to be a really hard sell for the general car buyer. All that weight will make the car feel sluggish and everyone will just move along to another manufacturer that has a car with more power and weight probably.

I think 90% or more of buyers care about what it looks like and if it feels peppy.   Think about what percentage of Miata drivers buy them NEW for performance.   Not many.    Enthusiasts are, and always will be a small segment of the market.   <1% on most cars, maybe 10% on a car like this.

That said, I sure hope they do hit those numbers.   We need more drivers cars on the market.    Especially nice looking ones.   I'd love to have one of these or a Hyundai Genesis coupe as a daily driver.
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^^^ this car was built for cheap fun -not the fastest on the market -but it is meant to be a "driver's car" they designed it to go sideways.


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What's the msrp on one?

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What's the msrp on one?

Invoice is $22,xxx and retail should be $26,xxx.

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I dig this thing. It kind of reminds me of a not-gay Miata. Power is low but people will find ways around it... always have... always will! I'm excited to see the first swap, but I suspect those won't go mainstream for a few years until used prices come down...

I'm imagining a white FRS, slammed with CCWs and a lopey LS3. Nom nom nom nom.
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