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Parts for Sale / Re: F.S. - Garrett GT3582 Turbo
« on: April 21, 2013, 11:06:10 PM »
Which compressor housing does this have?

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The Lounge / Re: Rotary Lawn Mower
« on: April 21, 2013, 11:00:06 PM »
I really want this. I have no clue why.

I do too.  I think that's awesome.

Lots of people just repeat the same old rotary shit: no torque, unreliable, apex seals, yada yada and never actually realize or pay enough attention and research well enough to know the real deal.  The fact is, (Wankel) rotaries are more or less the only viable alternative to reciprocating piston engines ever created.  Every few years you'll see some pipe dream crap, but rotaries really WORK, and well enough to be put into actual production cars.  Someone came by the shop a few weeks back with an all original first year FB with its original engine still running just fine at 220K.  Both of the cars in my sig pic had awesome running rotaries removed to do the swap, they were great cars either way.  Few people know/remember what OMC did with rotaries back in the late 60s and early 70s, but the OMC 4 rotor outboards had the capability to absolutely dominate tunnel boat racing in the early/mid 70s, and probably would have either done so or (more likely) been banned with a little more development.  They also made rotary snowmobiles and some other stuff.  There are also some huge Curtiss-Wright and John Deere rotaries out in oil fields that are probably still running today.  The Moller "Skycar" has 4 individual rotaries running ducted fans for power, and those work quite well.  The vehicle itself is pretty much the definition of the term "pipe dream", but the powerplants aren't the issue.

I only say this stuff because I'd prefer not to see an RX7club/LS1tech level of pervasive dumbassery here on Norotors.

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Pics and Videos / Re: Flat Plane Crank LS1
« on: April 16, 2013, 10:27:49 PM »
Found one:

HONDA NR500 sound

That's the oval piston guy, though it looks like it might be a 750.


Yeah Blake, thats the street bike version "NR750".  They don't sound anything like the racebike.


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Pics and Videos / Re: Flat Plane Crank LS1
« on: April 16, 2013, 09:16:28 PM »
If you want to hear a REALLY cool motorcycle sound, search for a Honda VFR750F (RC36) with a loud exhaust.  Preferably turned the f up near its rev limiter.  THAT is one of the most badassest engine sounds in the history of ever.

 :yay:

Edit - I went looking when I got home, this was the best I could find in 15 min looking but the audio still sort of blows.  You can kinda hear it, but nothing like sitting on one or standing next to the road... It'll make the hair on your arms stand up.  Theres just no way to describe it if you havent heard it live.  I love this noise.

VFR 750f sound check

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Pics and Videos / Re: Flat Plane Crank LS1
« on: April 16, 2013, 08:55:44 PM »
NSR 500, apart from the "big bang" version, sounds like every other 2 stroke screamer.  There were both V3 and V4 versions if I remember right. NR 500 (the 4 stroke one) sounds kinda like a 4 rotor.  There has to be a sound clip on the interwebs somewhere.

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Pics and Videos / Re: Flat Plane Crank LS1
« on: April 16, 2013, 08:44:20 PM »
I'm more wondering how the he'll they machined the cylinder bore. Looks like a practical nightmare.

Same way they grind the finish on trochoid shaped rotor housings.

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Pics and Videos / Re: Flat Plane Crank LS1
« on: April 16, 2013, 08:42:34 PM »
I had a Canadian Suzuki RG500.  Of all the things I wish I had back, that's pretty much the top of the list.

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Pics and Videos / Re: Flat Plane Crank LS1
« on: April 16, 2013, 04:57:42 PM »
I wonder what the piston "rings" for that motor look like?
Probably have an oval shape.





 :D

Roflwaffles.

Also piston rings seal by the effect of combustion pressure entering the groove and pushing them out more than anything, so that's what makes the long straight section feasible.

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Pics and Videos / Re: Flat Plane Crank LS1
« on: April 16, 2013, 03:50:32 PM »
Speedfab he had it backwards but is correct. Yamaha street bikes and motogp bikes have all made the switch from flat plain to cross plain cranks. The M1 was not the first to do this the Honda was. But Yamaha was the first to start doing it to their street bike.

They have been going back in forth from big bang flat plane cranks since the introduction of four stroke bikes in 2003. Big bang was more for traction than for power. It was about how the power was put down. They found with the power coming in hits with small gaps between them the tire would spin less.

This is the current Yamaha YZFR1 cross plain crank.



Yes, I know what the Japanese motorcycle manufacturers have done with their MotoGP engines... but that couldn't be more non applicable to a 180 degree crank in a V8, something which far predates 4 stroke MotoGP. (Which I personally hate.  Bring back the 2 strokes)  What I was saying was that this idea has nothing to do with MotoGP nor did the "idea" come from Yamaha.  Also, all moving of power pulses in those bikes is a tractability move, a given displacement will generally make x amount of power no matter how you lay it out, all other variables (like airflow and internal friction) being equal.  The term "big bang" got generally applied to all cases of moving power pulses closer or simultaneously firing cylinder pairs regardless of the means... although I personally think it applies better to the firing in pairs and making an inline 4 effectively into a parallel twin than it does to the "every other 90 degrees" deal like the current Yamaha.  You can bet they've made almost every crank shape and cam/ignition alteration imaginable testing those things, just as you can bet few people outside the factories will ever know what worked, what didnt, and why.

Oh and "big bang" racebike setups predate modern MotoGP too, by at least 20 years.  My first year of college in the mid 80s was the year Honda made the flat plane crank odd cyl angle V4 "big bang" 2 stroke NSR500 GP engine... but they went back conventional a year or 2 later.

As an aside, if you want to see one of the coolest 4 stroke engines ever, search "Honda NR500".  It was an 8 valve per cylinder V4 with oval pistons that turned nearly 20,000rpm.  In the late '70s Honda didn't want to give in to 2 strokes yet.


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Build Threads / Re: zbrown's forged 370, tc78, 8.8, auto FC
« on: April 16, 2013, 02:29:36 PM »
lol jesus,

Damon i better not get 2000cc injectors, we want to keep you in the same zip code at SNS on the I-state :o


We never will be in the same zip cause you're always too scared to come!!!

Shit just got real.

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Build Threads / Re: zbrown's forged 370, tc78, 8.8, auto FC
« on: April 15, 2013, 02:50:52 PM »
this big fucker came,  it is way bigger than i thought it was going to be.... lucky it fits, sorta. haha

You sound JUST like several people's mothers I know.


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Scottie, call Darren at Race Part Solutions.  They are in Boca Raton.

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Pics and Videos / Re: Flat Plane Crank LS1
« on: April 15, 2013, 02:35:56 PM »
I believe they are getting the idea from Yamaha with what they have done with the cranks in the R1's since 2009 and the MotoGp M1's and applying it to a V8 crank.

inline 4/90 degree V8 = apple/orange.  Totally different scenario.  Also, what you are talking about is what they call a "big bang" engine, taking something with an even firing order and making it uneven, either by changing ignition and cam events, or by moving crankpins as well.  This is done to change the engine's power delivery characteristics in order to make the powerband less violent and more motorcycle road racing friendly.

A flat crank V8 uses the same power pulse timing on each side as nearly every standard inline 4 cylinder in the history of internal combustion.  Maybe they got the idea from the Ford Model T.  (before somebody goes all pedantic, yes I know model Ts have the #2 and 3 rod journals on the same side of the crank)

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Pics and Videos / Re: Flat Plane Crank LS1
« on: April 15, 2013, 02:18:45 PM »
Explain this to me...

It's the easiest way to turn a nice V8 rumble into the sound of 2 hondas racing.  Effectively gives you 2 inline 4 cylinders on a common crank.  The benefit: You can design maximally effective headers because of even exhaust pulse spacing on a given side.  The only way to do this with a "90 degree crank" like a standard domestic V8 is with 180 degree headers, and it usually isnt possible to get those primaries short enough for a high RPM engine, not to mention packaging and complexity.

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INTJ?  ISTP?  Are you guys making fun of me because I'm a LOCO engineering type?

No... You have more foot pounds of torque under your right hand daily than the cumulative total of every car on this site.

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